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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:52 am 
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I like this "quotation" that is often used:

Education is not about filling a bucket/pail, it's [about] lighting a fire.

It is attributed to William Butler Yeats, but it is quite unlike his
poetry. I cannot find the quote in the online Yeats. Does anyone have a reference to the source of this quote? I have begun to hate all this "quotation" business with wrong attributions!


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I cannot find the exzact orgin of the quote, where it was orginaly said or written but all my research tends to indicate that indeed it was quoted by Yeats

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It is definitely attributed to Yeats but I gave up trying to find a source for it.

"Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire" -- W.B. Yeats

Education is not filling a pail, but lighting a fire.
~ William Butler Yeats
http://www.quotemeonit.com/yeats.html


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 Post subject: Pail imitation
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:55 pm 
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This line is not included in my books of quotations under the name of Yeats or anyone else. The internet is quick to seize upon a mistake and replicate it again and again. I like the comparison between the humdrum and the inspirational attitudes to education, but I share your doubts about its origin.

By education most have been misled. John Dryden


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 Post subject: Heraclitus maybe?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:04 am 
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I can't leave this alone -

now I've found it attributed to Heraclitus:

"Education has nothing to do with filling a pail, rather it has everything to do with igniting a flame."

----Heraclitus

I wrote to the author of the paper that used the "quote" to ask him where he found it. He said it was from one of those "Inspiration-A-Day" calendars.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:49 pm 
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This at least would make some sort of sense, because Plutarch did write on education:

"The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be ignited".

Of course, I can find lots of use of this quote, but no exact source for it. Any ideas?


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We must encourage (each other ) - once we have grasped the basic points - to interconnecting everything else on our own, to use memory to guide our original thinking, and to accept what someone else says as a starting point, a seed to be nourished and grow. For the correct analogy for the mind is not a vessel that needs filling but wood that needs igniting - no more - and then it motivates one towards originality and instills the desire for truth. Suppose someone were to go and ask his neighbors for fire and find a substantial blaze there, and just stay there continually warming himself: that is no different from someone who goes to someone else to get to some of his rationality, and fails to realize that he ought to ignite his own flame, his own intellect, but is happy to sit entranced by the lecture, and the words trigger only associative thinking and bring, as it were, only a flush to his cheeks and a glow to his limbs; but he has not dispelled or dispersed, in the warm light of philosophy, the internal dank gloom of his mind.
~ Plutarch
http://extraordinarylistening.com/resou ... tarch.html
http://www.extraordinarylistening.com/b ... tening.pdf

"At times our own light goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the flame within us."
-- Albert Schweitzer
"Learning of many things does not teach intelligence."
-- Heraclitus, Fragments
Yes, I know from where I come!
Insatiable like the fire
Do I glow, consume myself.
Light is everything that I seize,
Ashes everything that I leave:
Fire am I without fail.
~ Friedrich Nietzsche, "Ecce Homo" (See, What a Man)
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 Post subject: But where is this?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:29 am 
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Okay, this does sound like Plutarch, but *where* is it? I've just searched the on-line Plutarch at the Gutenberg Library and cannot find this. The "translation" is only on the Listening Institute home page and on material available there. Of course, Plutarch did write quite a bit, but I cannot find the exact reference.


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the Plutarch quote is inexact and never correctly cited (at least that I could find).

"For the mind does not require filling like a bottle, but rather, like wood, it only requires kindling to create in it an impulse to think independently and an ardent desire for the truth."
Moralia, On Listening to Lectures 48C (LCL 1.256-259)

It took me awhile to locate this-


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weberwu wrote:
I like this "quotation" that is often used:

Education is not about filling a bucket/pail, it's [about] lighting a fire.

It is attributed to William Butler Yeats, but it is quite unlike his
poetry. I cannot find the quote in the online Yeats. Does anyone have a reference to the source of this quote? I have begun to hate all this "quotation" business with wrong attributions!

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 Post subject: CONCEPTUAL
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CONCEPTUAL

The Birth of an Ideal
Is only Fertile,
when it can Grow

The Seed of a Thought
Must be
Nourished by Truth.

If it is Ever to take Root
In Understanding.

For Wisdom will be the Fruit

That Bears on the Roots
of Understanding

The Tree of Knowledge
Must be Harvested by Truth

If I am Ever
To Garner Understanding

The Ripening of the Fruit

Wisdom will Seed the Thought
of Understanding

A Little Wise and Maybe Old
Better than a Foolish Soul.

Listen to Every Word

Learn
What Life has Given you

The Birth of Hope
Dreams to Spare

The Chance to Learn,
When you are Here.

The Hope,
you will Find Yourself.

Bringing Birth,
To Understanding..

A THOUGHT

Wisdom is the Best Choice
For Understanding

Truth is the Best Choice
For Good.

Foolishness is the Best Choice
For Stupidity.

Freewill is the Best Choice
For Choosing.

See All There is Before you Do

For Once Selected
It is your Way Through.

A Poeatreeman

In My Mind's Eye
I am Learning what is there

Will I See?
If I Think Upon it Clearly

Truth and Wisdom, can be there
As well as Good and Bad

Who I bring will speak of me

Let me carry my Wit's with me

Then I can keep Life
From Overwhelming me.

Edgar Allan Prieto
5/22/2000
Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto
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 Post subject: WHO GIVES A HOOT?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:35 am 
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WHO GIVES A HOOT?

A wise old bird
who gave no hoot

Owl
would you do it?

I would
give a hoot,

To show
I cared

I would
go out on a limb,

To let
you know
I am there

I
may
get ruffled,

if
I don't try

I will
never know
what
it is to fly

Unless
I take
the steps
to do it

Life
is there
not just
to view it

It is up
to me
to share
in its
wonders

It is up
to me
to care
for it all

Give a hoot,
if
I am ever
to feel it

Give
heart and love,

life
will come
through it

Don't
flutter
around ,

Unless
you're on
a training mission.

Hoot
and holler
if you care

It starts
your engine
to get you there

I am
not a bird
nor a plane

Why
am I taking
off this way?

I
am on a runway,

It's my heart
that is flying about

I better
hold on
until the end

I
must have care,

If
I am ever
to come
through it.

A THOUGHT!

I have heart,
that can
endear the worst

I have love,
that will
take the fall

I have care,
for pain
is not alone

I have God,
to help me
through it all...;

Dedicated To Jennifner

A Poeatreeman

Love
is nesting
in my heart

Born
from feelings,
when tears
fell out

I lost not love,
but gained caring

For
my love grew out

Now
I am there,
to share with all.

holding
it once more

For
caring brought it out

Now
love will be once more

Tears
won't be without..

Edgar Allan Prieto
2/19/94
Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto
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 Post subject: A WISE OLD BIRD
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:41 am 
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A WISE OLD BIRD

You did not get Wise
Because you are Older
You got Older
because you're Wise

We all exist

A Wise Old Owl
is not in a tree
Not if He is Wise
to what He sees

He may
Hoot and Holler
If He is Wise
He would be Quiet

Take what is in the View

Know
When and not to Speak
Know
Who Perches Beside you

It is one Thing
To Get Under your Feathers
Another Thing to Lose Them

If I am Wise
to What is There
I will Keep what I Have
And Grow with Life

Maybe one day

I will be
a Wise Old Bird

If I do not Ask
too much
Only Expect to Glide
For it is Not
Easy Being Here

Through Wisdom
I Can Learn
I am better
For I have a Chance
to Grow my Feathers

Hoot and Holler if I Want
What Bird am I
That is Wise Enough?

I am Still in a Puzzle

Trying

To Find where I am
Supposed to Be

A Wise Old Owl
Once said to Me

Learn your ABCs

Then Start with Wisdom
to See What is Me.

A Poeatreeman

Know Truth and Wisdom will Follow
Dedicated to The Learning of Humanity

Edgar Allan Prieto
2/3/92
Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto
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 Post subject: AN INCH WORM
PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:47 pm 
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AN INCH WORM

How am I Going to
Learn Teach

If I don't Get Deep
into The Subject?

I am just
A Book Worm

Trying to get to the Core

I find Myself in Middle Class

I hope
To Make The Grade

Try not
to cut Me Short

I am only
An Inch Worm

Trying to get
to the Highest Point

Grade Me for My Studies

Not the Size I am

For My Heart
is as Big as anyone

Who is trying
to get through it All.

A THOUGHT!

It may take Me time
to get ahead

Yet I will Crawl
to reach Success

The only thing
that will stop me now

Is My will
not to Pass The Test.

Dedicated To Sherry (The Teach)

A Poeatreeman

If I Cut To The Core

I May Expose Myself
Too Much

I Don't Want To Fall Apart

By Opening Myself Up

I May Come Up Short

Yet I Will Try
To Be Strong

For The Length I Am
is not Too Long

Yet The Size of My Heart

Is Ten Feet Tall..

I am only an inch worm

Trying to reach success.

Edgar Allan Prieto
10/18/97
Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto
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HUMANITIES A COURSE FOR LIFE

I have
a course in life

I
am trying
to be human

With
all the others
in this world

I
am trying
to be
the best I can

My grades
will be
each day
I am here

I
am
not better
just trying
to be good

I
am
not
in any class
for I see
only one world

Grant
you there
are poor and rich

Better
off does not
make you better

There
are some
who find
greatness
being poor

There
are others
who are rich

Find
they are
burdened
by it all

I
am best
when
I am human

I
am even
better
when
I help
my fellow man

If
I was born
with a silver spoon

It
does not
mean
my plate is full

If
I was not!

Does
not mean
I have
an empty one

For heart
and spirit
need both be full

If
I am poor
if I am rich

It matters
only
if I lose
my soul

For
in the end
it will not
be money
That
will bring
you to heaven

But
a heart of gold

Love
knows no rich or poor

It touches
all who seek it

Only man
puts it in a class

Poor little boy!

A THOUGHT!

If my spirit is rich
I have no need for gold
If my pockets are full
my heart is empty
What is my soul?

DEDICATED TO HUMANITY

A Poeatreeman

The measure of a man
Is not
If his pockets are filled
But his heart
Has riches beyond gold
For what if a man
Has no heart
Where
Could he place
His greatest treasure?
He cannot
For he does not hold it .

Edgar Allan Prieto
5/3/96
Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto


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